HRM+2014+Wiki+Comms

Wiki comms & discussion
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 * Simon (24/03/09): It's now handed in. Phew!!!** Never again .... !!!!!

=Final knockings....= Simon (20/03/09) - That's fine Jamie. I'll run you for the paper and toner ;-)

Jamie (20/3/09) Unfortunately I am unable to make it in to uni today. I had finished the work on Wed but was unsure whether to still come in. I shall post it all below, but if you would rather I printed it because of the amount of pages, I can hand it to you Monday, Please let me know either way.. cheers.

Simon (19/03/09) Here is the CD of the HTML that will go with the the file:

I still need several reflective accounts and MCT print outs. I will be in on Friday morning 9-12 so you can hand them over then. I am also in Monday, 11-5. That is your last chance. The folder will be handed in on Tuesday morning.

(simon 6/3/09) OK, the format has gone up today - two subsections: External & Internal, each divided into planned and emergent to kick off. You can add other sub headings (maybe //step change//, for example). I WILL be doing the CE and I WILL be doing it next weekend - 14/15 March. If you don't post comments by the end of next week, I won't take them into account.

Journal, book and web references MUST look like this:

Thompson, S. and Thompson, S.T. (2009). "Hacked off with bad references". //Journal of Referencing// **1**(2), 100-112. Thompson, S. and Thompson, S.T. (2009). //Hacked off with bad references//. 3rd Edn. Northampton: Home Publishers. Wikispaces. (2009). "Wiki references" [online]. Retrieved 25th February 2009, from: http://managementgurus.wikispaces.com

=Might I suggest a £5 donation to Comic Relief for any referencing errors in this wiki???? And yes, even the punctuation, bold and italics matter!!!!!!!=

=And remember - get your multi choice result print outs and reflective accounts done **NEXT WEEKEND.** //Not on the 23rd March//. I want them when we meet on Wednesday the **18th March** so they can be put into one folder. 12pt Verdana, name and student ID included. I am **NOT** chasing you around, I am too busy with other assignments.=


 * //Jamie 9/3/09 - I agree that references are not all correct (mine included) but a more important point would be that not everybody is contributing to the wiki itself in the first place. Our group cohesion holds great weight in the marking of the assignment! This should be a democratic GROUP assignment where consult on issues (even as minor as 12pt Veranda!), with less "I want" and more "I suggest". Nobody needs to be spoonfed or chased! It must be said we are all busy with other assignments and an earlier deadline, while beneficial for some, may not be for others!!! I understood that from the start Lisa had volunteered to collaborate all of our MCT printouts and reflective pieces, if this is still the case then perhaps Lisa can suggest a date she wishes them all to be in/emailed to her for collaboration.//**

Simon (10/03/09): Sorry if you're offended by the tone Jamie, but this is no longer a democracy - tasks have to be completed and I'm not taking up anyone's slack. Nice has changed nothing. I don't see a line of volunteers to finish the task. So, I really do WANT those print outs on the 18th or I WILL drop people in the SHxT. Do me the courtesy of being allowed a few days to prepare the folder for hand in - this is not an unreasonable deadline. I will handle the CD side for the wikis and post a version here. I'm now fully into Commanding Leadership (Goleman //et al.// 2002)!

Jamie 11/3/09 - Apologies to all group members if my ranting caused offence and friction, I was simply trying to voice fustrations... lets just get this assignment in and be done with it!

Tala 11/3/09 - I agree with both sides, with Simon wanting extra time to sort out the portfolio BUT, Jamie wasn’t asking for much. He like the rest of us just wants to be treated with a little respect, I mean a simple please and thank you would suffice!! Anyway lets get this last one done and dusted guys, I'll hand in my work on the 18th Simon and no offence taken Jamie.

Simon (12/03/09): Ah, the great Gen X / Gen Y divide! The 'R' word.... that's worth a wiki in its own right! OK, well, barring ONE non-contributor so far, this wiki isn't too bad. There's a bit too much guff on the front page though and the 'external forces' section is a bit weak (this is what the question is about). Some more links would be nice to have - don't worry about the academic content too much, it takes too long. Please watch the references - if a web site mentions an author, it's the web site that's referenced unless it's a direct quote from them (use '. Cited in ...') and try and tie down an author to the web page if you can. Check the link works too - some don't and need some manual HTML correction. More comments as well please... Safwat, I'm after you!!!

Simon (13/03/09): Thank you - everyone has now contributed. But my comments about extra material and comments stand. Hmmm. You must avoid the 'R' word with the elderly - I'm afraid we have a very different definition to your 'polite' variant. Something to do with being earned rather than to be expected.

Wiki 5 Conflict
(Simon) Any thoughts on the sub-sections? What about the B&H styles:


 * Competing
 * Avoiding
 * Compromising
 * Accommodating
 * Collaborating?

I'll do the CE this time if you like... (/Simon)

Paul: Yeah the B&H styles sound good to me. There nice and simple and should allow us to answer all aspects of the question well. Simon: Tala was OK with this, too. I'll kick it off that way. If anyone has a stunning alternative - it's just FIVE sections that are a bit of a pain - I'll change it. No shout by the end of the weekend an it's staying as it is! (13/02/09 17:40) Lisa: yeah im liking this suggestion!! Simon (18/02/09): Erm.. it's gone very quiet! I thought we'd agreed to post in week 1, comment in week 2 and deal with the CE in week 3???.... c'mon people! Simon (24/02/09): Thank you to most people for contributing. But ..... how many times do I have to keep mentioning spelling and punctuation. I can't read the wiki without being distracted. It's in your face on the front page, references (what IS that Palmer one??? And the last reference looks wrong - check the guide, please!). It takes me fxxkin hours to read and edit the damn thing because of a lack of care. Some errors won't show up in Word, but most will. **PLEASE, I BEG YOU**, save what little is left of my sanity.... if you're not sure, check it with a colleague and don't leave it to me :-(

Wiki 4 Power
Simon (again!): MAJOR FxxKING RANT!!!!


 * I appreciate the desire to make the wiki look cosmetically good, but**

==DO NOT EVER, EVER, EVER LINK IMAGES FROM OTHER WEB SITES UNLESS THEY ARE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, EXPLICITLY LICENSED FOR SUCH USE OR REFERENCED FULLY (figures from online papers, etc.) - YOU ARE BREACHING THE HOSTING SITE'S COPYRIGHT AND THIS IS A BIG DEAL. WE WERE SPECIFICALLY WARNED __NOT__ TO DO THIS. THIS __IS__ PLAGIARISM, PURE & SIMPLE, AND WE WILL BE HUNG FOR IT.==

If you did so, please REMOVE them NOW. It only took me a few seconds to track the problem and it won't take Amanda any longer.
I gave you the Morguefile link for copyright free images and there are other similar sites. They are the ONLY links you can post.

Simon: Agree with Lisa on the CE editor, but clearly it doesn't have to be as much as the other contributors. Certainly comments should be added. PLEASE watch the references: Veccio 1987 was added as:

Vecchio, R.P. (1987), "Situational leadership theory: an examination of a prescriptive theory", //Journal of Applied Psychology//, Vol. 72 No.3, pp.444-51 which is CLEARLY the wrong format. Should be: Vecchio, R.P. (1987). "Situational leadership theory: an examination of a prescriptive theory." Journal of Applied Psychology, **72**(3), 444-451.

This makes it look like a cut and paste job from somewhere else, which doesn't give the right impression. This wasn't the only ref with problems. I can forgive the odd missing full stop, but really....


 * Lisa:** __SOME__ people are not keeping to the deadlines!! please try and stick to the schedule otherwise the person doing the CE will not have enough time to make it as good as can be!! Also people doing the CE still have to add to the actual wiki as well. the first few people did both and i think it is only fair it stays this way! :-)


 * Tala:** Hey guys sorry I wasn’t contributing as much as I should but I had a few problems to sort out first. Anyway I posted a little on the wiki manly images; please feel free to take them off if you think they are inappropriate. I put them on because they looked a bit bare without them. I also think Lisa's timetable suggestion is awesome and the new "question sub title" system works well and Safwat make a good CE.

Week 1 - POSTS Week 2 - Improve posts and make relavent comments Week 3 - Critical Evaluation that way every1 has enough time to do what they need to do!! Let me know your thoughts and we also need to come up with ideas for the topics!! Any ideas?????????
 * Lisa:** well its that time again WIKI 4!! I strongly suggest we have deadlines like we did on wiki 1.


 * Paul:** It's becoming increasing frustrating that not everybody is contributing to the wikis as much as they should be. The problem is that no matter how much certain people contribute and comment, the assignment is group based and so unless everybody puts the effort in and a united group front is shown throughtout the wiki, then our grades are likely to suffer, despite the hard work of some. Even if everybody only makes 2 or 3 entries, then that would be enough. At the end of the day its everyones grade that will suffer, so come on guys lets sort it out.

(simon 23/01/09) I'd like to put the framework up this weekend, so please consider sub sections. We could just use the text book (Robbins & Coulter) types of power:


 * Authoritive/Legislative
 * Reward
 * Coercive
 * Referent

In a recent essay I did on power, I brought in some other models and split them into:


 * Power that comes with the position of manager (sovereign / authoritative / legislative);
 * Power that depend on the routine actions of the manager (disciplinary / coercive / reward) within the stated rules of the organization
 * Power from the less tangible aspect of the personal attributes of the individual and the respect in which others hold them, which is contingent on their behaviour, knowledge and networking.

Instead of these headings we could just ask questions: A section might be 'What is power?' which would cover these areas in summary, but could also look at Foucoult's view of power - something that only exists when interaction (discourse takes place) Or what about 'Is knowledge power?' Or 'The politics of power' - turf wars, etc.

Lisa: I like the idea previously put by simon about power coming with the management role!! I also like the robbins and coulter ones because they are not to complicated and may be easy to find information on them. An idea i had is a page on the use of management jargon to exert power, i think this is quite an interesting area but of course every 1 has their own opinion on interesting lol. I personally think the idea of a page entitled what is power?? is also a really good idea becuase it gives an overall summary of the main focus of the topic, which i think some of our previous wikis have missed out on. My final thought is a page on is knowledge power (as mentioned) BUT expand it further by saying is knowledge v position power, this is to argue the point that is a manager given power and thats that or can it be gained without actually being in a position of power. (we of course know it can) but it may be an interesting area to explore. Oh and we are going to need a page about micro politics maybe entitled Every day micro politics??? of something better which i cant think of right at this moment lol. What does every1 think ???? WHO IS ON CRITIVCAL EVALUATION DUTY THIS TIME??????


 * Safwat**: Can I do the critic evaluation for this wiki?


 * Paul:** I like the idea of using the Types of power put forward by Robbins and Coulter as the subsections. Their clear, simple and easy to understand. I also like the idea of asking the questions, maybe a combination of the two is the way to go. For instance, one of the sub sections could be titled: How do managers use reward as a form of power? or Is reward an effective form of power?. I think all the ideas put forward would work and give us an intersting starting point for this wiki.


 * Simon**: That's great guys. I think that re-framing those first bullets as questions is the way to go, but I'd like to merge reward/coercion as a lot of the material contrasts the two anyway, then add one more. Lisa - good points: Knowledge would fall under referent power, position under legislative/authority, BUT you're crack on with politics/micro politics. Well worth a section: fighting to protect resource or self-esteem or just to be an arse needs covering. I think 4 subs is enough! Thanks for volunteering for the CE Safwat.

==Following Lisa's schedule and Paul's suggestion : at least 2 contributions up by Wednesday 28th January please. First come first served on subjects so put a draft version in if you want to 'bagsie' a slot. Matrix will be up by the end of today (Friday 23rd).==

Simon 231208 Wiki 3 is now live with the following sub-sections. I've added some stuff on power and a few random items:

On NILE, you need to scroll past wiki 2 then wiki 1 - wiki 3 is at the bottom for some reason!!!

 * The manager as hero (traits - still popular today: e.g. Branson)
 * The variable leader (situational leadership + Goleman's styles)
 * Leaders and power (formal and informal power)
 * Leaders in different cultures (Hofstede, Trompenaars, etc.)

Simon 231208

Lisa@: Since people are ranting i may as well put thoughts forward. **THIS IS A GROUP ASSIGNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!** I have no idea why we are being told off but it needs to stop now otherwise we are looking at another poor grade! Every1 is entitled to their thoughts and opinions which can be openly discussed. Personally i havent liked this wiki from minute 1 it is a weird assignment but we are trying to make the best of it and get it right from now. A good part of this grade is how well we work as a team and that needs to be shown from now on and this is not happening at the moment. Paul i agree with your idea, it will be easier that way :-) Im not trying to be bitchy i just dont want this to get any worse than it already is.


 * Simon**: I quite agree with Lisa. The whole point of the wiki is to encourage interaction/exploration/reading around the topic, but I've been depressed at the lack of feedback and effort before and over Xmas. No feedback on sub-topics. Then Paul suggests chosing a sub-topic. There's a murmer that its a good idea. Then squat. I'm certainly not allocating tasks or topics - you should be able to spot the gaps (hint - nearly empty pages!) and fill them.

I've been trying to fill out the site with content out of desperation, but I'm not editing each bloomin wiki at the last minute because people can't be bothered to put in the work or do the most basic spelling/grammar checks. And I'll weep if I see another piece of unreferenced text/opinion or references added in text without anything being added to the reference page - we are into year 2, for heaven's sake. I've added all I'm going to add to Wiki 3. Good luck!


 * Paul:** Hey guys, yeah the sub sections sound ok to me, i was thinking how about we work in pairs and assign a sub section to each two? That way all the subsections will be contributed to equally. Then we can comment on our own section and on the other 3 sections. Its just an idea, what does everyone think?


 * Simon:** I've finishing ranting. But I don't like what happened to the wikis and I won't flinch from commenting directly on the wikis if I see any more nonsense / missing references. And please don't link directly to academic articles on Emerald etc. It just looks (is!) lazy. Read it, summarise your point and reference it properly. Unless I hear differently this weekend (20/21 Dec), the sections are going on as above as I want to get started. I won't take kindly to the wiki being hacked around after that - you have had plenty of time to comment or contribute. Milly volunteered to do the CE for Wiki 3, so I shall leave that to her.


 * Tala:** I like your idea Paul! We should go with that, it will (as Simon stated) fix a lot of problems. When will we be assigning pairs?

Simon 041208 : the HTML to re-create the site is here:

I'll generally set up the base site, but if you want to create a new topic page, create it, name it then click the HTML button on the edit bar. Delete anything in the box and past in the <table... ... from the sub-topic template, then click update. Save the page and you will be good to go. BUT you will have to edit and update all the navigation bars on every page to make sure they link. If in doubt, leave this to me to tidy up at the end.

I suggest you use the green boxes on the right to put any external links into - use www.tinyurl.com to shrink any stupid 200 character URLs!

Don't link any images without a reference apart from those from [|www.morguefile.com], which are free of any IP or copyright problems.

You must be more careful with spelling and grammar and - particularly - references. Don't post stuff without having the references done. I'll never spot it but Amanda will! **//I will not be editing / compiling references from wiki 3 onwards. You must merge and style your own entries.// Simon 041208 **